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frightening it is for them. we have not heard of any reports of specific injuries, as we know, that things are in process there in napa with those sirens. we do know that the spokesman for cal fire told us there was an immediate response and they've been going at it since then. we will continue to keep you posted. we'll get you to candy crowley right now. stay close. grisly video of a terrorist cutting off the head of an american journalist, and global alarm bells ring at defcon levels. today -- isis. >> no just god would stand for what they did. >> we must prepare for everything and get ready. >> this is an organization that has an apocalyptic end of days strategic vision which will eventually have to be defeated. >> senators lindsey graham and jack reed on where, when and what next in the battle against islamic terrorists. plus -- >> any attempt by you, obama.
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>> reporter: the murderer had a british accent. have passport, may travel. with an alarming number of westerners joining the terrorist cause, we talk with britain's ambassador to the u.s., sir peter westmacott. and missouri governor jay nixon joins us with the latest on the investigation into the shooting death of michael brown. >> then walking the beat and taking the heat. from dallas to detroit to the d.c. burbs, a conversation with three police chiefs on what went down in ferguson and what goes on behind the blue line. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington, i'm candy crowley. first this morning, a powerful 6.1 magnitude earthquake strikes northern california. it's the strongest to hit the bay area since 1989. these are the images we're getting from residents in the area. i want to bring in one of those residents, cnn producer augie martin, he's on the phone from
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san francisco. i know, augie, it's just beginning to be daybreak, and it will take a while to figure out damages or any injuries, but what can you tell us from the reporting of our california crew? >> yes, good morning, candy. we're still about 30 minutes away from sunrise out here, so it will be a lot easier to survey the damage once there's light, but so far we're hearing that there are some minor entrapments up near the epicenter in napa that some chimneys have fallen, appliances dislocated, lots of damage to store shelves and kitchens, that sort of thing. there have been a couple of fires, but so far it sounds like there haven't been any widespread reports of injuries as a result of this quake. >> augie martin, we will be back with you when daylight shines over california, to get a better picture what have has gone on there. we want to go now to jennifer gray, she's in the cnn weather center. jennifer, tell us a little bit
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about the epicenter, where did this hit? >> this happened about six miles south of napa, and ever since this happened the wee hours of this morning, we've been feeling aftershocks and we just felt the most powerful aftershock just in the past five minutes, and so that's what we're going to be dealing with over the next 24 hours, these small aftershocks, we'll zoom in just a little bit. you can see there's the main earthquake, 6.1 magnitude, just to the south of napa, and we just had that largest aftershock right at around 3.5 magnitude or so, and that's very close to that epicenter, and so that's what we're going to be feeling, candy, over the next several hours, the next 24 hours, the most crucial time, and then over time, over the next couple of days, those should start to get fewer and fewer, but like i mentioned over the next 24 hours, that's going to be the crucial time, over 100,000 people felt very violent shaking, and so scary moments during the wee hours of this
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morning. >> jennifer gray and augie martin, just two on cnn's team following this 6.1 earthquake in northern california. cnn will keep you up to date. following the group's murder of american journalist james foley, president obama is considering expanding u.s. military strikes against isis into syria. with me now, two members of the senate armed services committee, senator jack reed is a democrat from rhode island, and senator lindsey graham, republican from south carolina. welcome both. senator graham, let me begin with you. if the president should decide that something is needed, drone, armed drones or u.s. air strikes in syria, wouldn't that necessarily require some kind of communication with a man that he would like to see not in office, president assad? >> no, i don't think so. i think the purpose of going in to syria is to deal with the threat to the homeland.
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i don't think we need to coordinate with assad at all. the goal is to hit isil in syria, their command and control and logistic centers and as senator dempsey, excuse me as chairman dempsey said you cannot deal with the isil threat without hitting them in iraq. my question is what is the air power now, has it changed from protecting u.s. personnel in iraq? they characterized this as a terrorist attack, so i hope the new mission is to defeat and destroy isil as a threat to our homeland. >> senator reed, we have heard some amazing rhetoric out of washington, out of britain, out of a number of places, calling this an apocalyptic group, the worst threat, you know, that the secretary of defense, the pentagon chief, has ever seen, chuck hagel. we've heard this kind of rhetoric before, frankly, in 2002, when we were told that the direct threat to the united states was saddam hussein.
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tell me why isis is a direct threat to the homeland, to u.s. territory here in the united states. >> well, we have to begin with the prurpgs thesumption they co such a threat and we have to carefully evaluate what their capabilities are, what their intentions are. i don't think we can simply dismiss them but to jump from what they've done, which is horrific, particularly the murder of mr. foley so the asurp assumption they're going to be an immediate and within days threat to us here in our homeland, i think you don't jump to that assumption but you don't dismiss it. you carefully look at what they're doing, what they want to do, and frankly, it's in our interests with our regional partners to bit rupt and ultimately destroy isis because of the threat to the region and as well as the united states. >> senator graham, i am trying to kind of home in on what is the immediate threat to the homeland?
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there are a number of people saying it's not an immediate threat has to be dealt with. it's a threat to the region but it's not an immediate threat to the u.s. >> well, i would argue that the intel that we've been provided in congress is that there are hundreds of american citizens holding u.s. passports, they're european citizens going to the fight, that can penetrate america by having u.european u. pass ports. lot of them flocked to syria, part of their agenda is to drive us out of the mideast. do they have the capability to hit the homeland? i would say yes. it's about time now to assume the worst about these guys rather than to underestimate them. they're not the jv people anymore. they're the most prominent terrorist organization in the world but they're not the only one. they're in competition with the other jihadist groups and the gold medal will be awarded to the group that can hit america. they're fighting for status with
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al qaeda, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al nusra. all are bidding for future recruits and status, and the gold medal goes to the one that can hit us here at home. to those who underestimate this threat, you do so at america's peril. >> i want to read you both something that the fbi put out, and again, it was a pretty scary rhetorical week from leaders from a lot of different countries, and on friday, i believe, this was part of the bulletin released by the fbi and the department of homeland security, the state and federal law enforcement, in which it said fbi and dhs are unaware of any specific credible threats against the homeland from homegrown vilent extremists, isil or other violent extremist fwrupz overseas in response to u.s. military in iraq. it seems to me, senator reed, we're hearing different messages here. >> we have to be concerned about this group. >> well concern is different
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from this is a threat and we have to do something now or be prepared. >> well we have to do something and it is to start looking carefully at all of our intelligence to see if there are intelligence gaps and as senator graham indicated, one of the issues is the hundreds of individuals with european or american passports. so this is a law enforcement intelligence operation initially, and we have to be very serious about this, but again, i think what we have to do is in a way that we don't dismiss the worst possibility but don't assume it's going to happen automatically. we have to be careful in our analysis and that's something that message from the fbi and homeland security is saying. >> senator graham, the president came out and spoke after it became news about the grisly beheading of journalist james foley, and what he said was, when people harm americans anywhere, we do what's necessary to see that justice is done. what's the consequence of
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killing an american civilian by beheading them, as part of a jihad? >> well, mr. rodes, one of the deputy national security advisers characterized this as a terrorist attack against america. the president said there would be consequences. here is the question. can america be safe if isil is not defeated? i don't think we can. can the region be safe if isil is not defeated? and to be defeated, they have to be hid in syria, and you have to rally the kurds, arm the kurds to attack isil in the north, political reconciliation in baghdad, rally what's left of the iraqi army, pull the sunni tribes away from isil inside of ir iraq, arm what's left of the free syrian army. we should, in my view, look at isil as a direct threat to the united states, a threat to the region that cannot be accommodated. the strategy has to meet the
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threat. it is no longer humanitarian endeavor we're dealing with, protect the yazaidis or the christians, there's no longer u.s. personnel in iraq. the strategy and response should meet that threat. what is the purpose of air power? i want the president to explain to us what we will be doing in syria if we go there and why. >> what do you want the president to do? it's clear senator graham wants him to do more to use air power to begin to defeat isil. is that the proper strategy as far as you're concerned? is it something congress would go along with? >> the proper strategy is a comprehensive strategy, and its foundation is political, not just military, and that's why there is some hope now the new leadership in baghdad that there will be some reconciliation. >> but not with isil. >> no, i'm talking about reconciliation with the sunnis and the shias and the kurds and other iraqi citizens, but isil
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is taking advantage of the alienation of the sunni community in iraq, to move through them to get support, to get assistance. we have to separate that, and that can only be done through the leadership in baghdad through the iraqis themselves. once we start separating these jihadist extremist terrorists from their support, from the sunni community, then i think we have much more traction against them. on the ground it's going to have to be iraqi forces and kurdish forces, supplemented very carefully by american air support. the other issue, too, is develop the intelligence and the targeting, so that if we're going to take a line of communication out or we're going to take out an individual, it's very carefully established, the intelligence, so we're not just, you know, dropping bombs blindly. in fact, had we gone in initially as some would suggest and just started dropping bombs when maliki was there, we would
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have ended up as his air force and he still might be there. >> senator graham, i want to turn you to one last thing that came up this week, and that was the white house putting out the story of the failed attempt to rescue james foley and other americans thought to be in the hands of islamic terrorists. it happened more than a month ago. there was some question as to whether, a, it was wise to put it out, and b, why it was put out with critics saying this looked like the president wanted to say, i did try to help james foley. do you think anything was harmed by the white house saying here's what happened? >> i don't really know, and my beef is not with the president being on vacation with his family. my beef is not with the disclosing of the operation to try to save these folks. my concern is that the president's strategy of leading from behind and light footprint has failed. he has to realize as president bush did that his strategy is
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not working. president bush adjusted his strategy when it was failing, and he brought about a surge that worked. president obama has to admit to himself, if no one else, that what he's doing is not working. we've talked about iraq but there's no way you can solve the problem in iraq without hitting them in syria. would the iraqis accept a follow-on force, something we didn't do in the beginning? i think it would be a huge mistake to leave iraq, if it comes back together without a follow on force as an insurance policy to protect us. we need to take everything, put everything on the table. we need to hit them in syria, we need to help the free syrian army mobilize so they can fight them on the ground, when it comes to ground troops. if our military commanders tell us that we need ground forces to defeat isil, which is a threat to the united states, so be it. we have got to win and stop these guys. >> senator reed last word here. obviously senator graham wants a
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much more muscular approach from president obama. if president owe ba is asaid to you we have to go in and use our air power in conjunction with the iraqi forces on the ground or kurdish forces we have to go into syria, okay by you? >> if it is directly related to a threat to the united states or interests there. >> specific threat or just general threat we're talking about now? >> specific threat to the united states in the region or worldwide even, then i think we have the obligation to go in and take out that threat, and he's already shown that the most effective use of our force is not putting troops on the ground, but using capable troops like the kurds with air strikes that rolled them back a bit. what we have to do is begin to sort of have the iraqis reorganize their military so it's no longer politicized. it's an effective military force, then with that kind of leadership and also we hope with some type of engagement with all the sectarian groups we can use
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iraqi security forces and very rarely, but at times american air power to make the difference. >> senator jack reed, democrat from rhode island, senator lindsey graham from south carolina, republican, thank you both. next up, are scotland yard and british intelligence convinced the man who killed james foley is british? great britain's ambassador to the u.s. joins me next. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare. let's close the gap between people and care.
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becomes a stark reality when a militant with a british accent beheaded american james foley. >> any attempt by you, obama, to deny the muslims their rights of living in safety under the islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people. >> joining me now is sir peter westmacott, the british ambassador to the united states. mr. ambassador, thank you for coming off vacation, for many reasons. busy world at this point and a sad one. what do you know about this terrorist who took the life of james foley? >> i see the british media this morning speculating we are very close to identifying who this guy is and you may have seen my secretary philip hammond saying we're putting a great deal into the search. we're putting a lot into it and there are sophisticated technologies, vice identification and so on which people can use to check who these people are.
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of course the problem goes beyond one horrendous criminal, if you like. we have' got more people than we would like, people think that maybe as many as 500 british subjects have gone to syria in iraq for this cause of jihad, and it's not a problem exclusive to the united kingdom. we have people from lots and lots of western democracies who unfortunately are misguided enough to go to that part of the region and take up a cause which is a betrayal of all our values. >> let me see if i understand, just back to the suspect at this point. we also read in the british newspapers several names. are those names on target as far as scotland yard is concerned? when you say "close," do you have a name and you think that's who it is and they're doing the final check? where are you in this this. >> i can't say more than this but i know from my colleagues at home that we are close. forgive me if i can't go much further than that at this point. >> okay. let me ask you about the huge number or what too many numbers of westerners, we learn that,
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you know proportionately there are a large number of british muslims. i think "usa today" first wrote there are more british muslims with isis than there are in the british military. why is that? >> i think in each case, every country where we have got m muslims who take up jihad and go to that part of the world you have to look at the origins of the communities we have in our own country. perhaps one of the reasons we have hundreds from the united kingdom, we have lots of historic links of which we're very proud with south asia, many families who have come from there and remain linked to what's been going on in that part of the world, but of course we had initially the whole jihad thing began with the mujahadin in afghanistan. we've had issues of al chi do and taliban in pakistan. we've now got people in iraq and syria. they have moved around in many different countries but i think that all different western countries which have got
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significant communities of imgrants who come from that part of the world url have a very small number who have been misguided enough or radicalized or brainwashed enough to start taking up this cause, which is not what the rest of our muslim colleagues in our own countries believe in, far from it. for example the muslim council of britain has come out very firmly against this activity. >> it seemed to me, looking at the numbers, and looking at the geography, that the threat to britain is every bit as big as it is to the united states, and we're now hearing about an apocalyptic terms from your government and our government. where are the british airplanes? where are the british air assaults on isis? where is britain's help in this effort at this point? >> you're quite right. it is a threat to us. it's a threat to us both because of what these people are doing in a part of a world very important to all of our interests and a threat to us because of the returning radicalized foreign fighters who get trained, radicalized in that
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part of the world and come back with terrorist attempt and we have picked up 60 or 70 of these people over the last year at our borders coming back from iraq and syria, intending to do terrible damage to our own countries and our own societies. where is britain? we're actually very active and we are very present. we have done a lot of humanitarian drops. we are shipping arms and equipment to the kurdish regional government. we have done a lot of support in terms of refueling aircraft. we are doing some intelligence and surveillance, which helped us to target the humanitarian drops, which british aircraft as well as american aircraft have been providing. we were involved in trying to help the yazidis you remember who were under threat. we have made an offer to do a number of other things for the krg. at the moment the iraqi government, the krg are not asking us to do more than what we are doing but we have responded very positively in a number of ways with aircraft, with intelligence, with training, with non-lethal equipment, and so i think it's right to say that we are present
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alongside the united states, playing an active role. >> and if it should come to you from the united states, we really think the only way to get rid of isis, which is something that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said last week, but the only way really to get rid of isis is there would have to be some sort of assault on isis in syria. is britain in on that kind of, should it come to that, the u.s. ask for british help in terms of air assaults, would britain be there? >> well my premise to my foreign secretary are clear we're not getting involved in another iraq war. we're also not supplying lethal equipment at this point but of course should the iraqi government or even the krg ask us to do so, we would be prepared to look at that. we're not contemplating a direct military action at this point. >> why? >> we are closely engaged with the iraqi government which we're giving a lot of political support and like the united states we're keen to see iraq
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governed by a new, inclusive and less sectarian administration. once that is in place, if. the iraqi government comes to us and asks us to see whether there's more that we could do, we would be prepared to think about that. >> your foreign secretary said, quote, this morning in a piece "at home and abroad, we must choke these barbarians on every front." what does that mean if it does not mean, at some point, taking on isis militarily with the united states, perhaps with others in syria or in iraq? >> we have provided a lot of support, both behind the scenes and in terms of helping to supply military equipment to people in iraq and syria, who particularly in northern iraq in the krg, who are taking on, who are pushing back against isis. at the moment, neither the kurdish regional government nor the iraqi government is asking us to provide lethal equipment. we have looked at providing assistance to the moderate on snigs syria, because part of this is also about bashar al assad's regime, which have been
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behind, if you like, the situation, which has created so much of this. we are not at this point providing lethal equipment to the opposition and to be honest, what has happened in iraq and the way in which isis has scooped up weapons and money and other support which has been provided initially for the purpose of getting rid of bashar al assad is an indication of the caution shown by my government and the united states government was perhaps well-founded. we're keeping everything under review. what my foreign secretary this morning said in essence we are in this together and we need a joint operation to really push back against barbarric behavior. we mean what we say on that. >> so that could include, at some point, but is not now including the use of british force, along with the use of american force in the skies? >> it is not now contemplated. as i say, we're not providing lethal equipment. we are not putting british boots on the ground nor are you putting united states boots on the ground, but we are looking very active a at what we can do, that is helpful and which is in
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line with what the governments on the ground and our allies on the ground would like us to do. when i say allies on the ground, remember, this is not just something of the united states and the united kingdom. there are many other regional governments threatened by ices. which are pleased to see, fingers crossed a any government coming to power in iraq and who themselves we like to think will want to become involved in trying to push back against this horrific barbaric operation which threatens their way of life along with us. >> sir peter westmacott, thank you for coming. >> thank you. next an update on that powerful earthquake in the san francisco bay area. plus a grand jury meets in the fatal police shooting of michael brown. missouri governor jay nixon is next. captain obvious: tell your grandmother with the hotels.com loyalty program, she'll earn free nights. so they're not the same, because they're different. woman: jimmy's not my grandson, captain obvious. woman: man: he's my lover. no.
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an update on the breaking news in california, a powerful 6.1 magnitude earthquake strikes northern california, and we're hearing there are more aftershocks. we want to go to cnn's jennifer gray, and no telling when aftershocks stop. >> right, they can be felt for days after the main earthquake, and this happened during the wee hours of the morning, as we know. we had an aftershock of about 2.5, a couple of hours ago, just in the past hour, we had a 3.6 aftershock that was felt just a
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couple of miles from the epicenter, so these could be felt, like i said, for a couple of days. the first 24 hours crucial, and so as we go forward in time, they will become less frequent, but i know a lot of people, as the sun is coming up over on the west coast, they are trying to get up, get out and about, looking at the damage, things like that, but just be aware, these aftershocks are known to happen right after this earthquake, first 24 hours just be careful out there. it is definitely a dangerous situation. of course, a lot of these structures not intact. we've seen some of the buildings in the downtown areas have collapsed, a lot of these structures a total loss in downtown napa, so it is dangerous out there, candy, and folks need to be aware that some of these aftershocks can be felt 24 hours, even days after the main earthquake. >> jennifer gray, thank you. we will stay in touch. we want to bring in janet upton, the press
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information for cal fire. bringing you in because you were in the midst of this earthquake, from your perspective, tell me what happened. >> it was a pretty significant. i've been through a couple of events living in california in my lifetime. this is significant shaking, i would categorize it as violent shaking follow an undulating rolling sensation that seemed to last quite a long time. >> wow, i know it's just beginning to be daylight here. we're now on our screen beginning to see pictures of fires which we know sometimes come after earthquakes w gas lin, with gas lines, et cetera. what can you tell me about the damage to your house or the damage that you're hearing about from neighbors, et cetera? >> i do live in napa proper and 1950s type neighborhood. we have chimneys down up and down the street. i would probably describe the inside of my house as trashed. in igthat was standing is not and everything's off the wall, a lot of heavy furniture down, the
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cupboards in the kitchen out, lots of broken glass but everyone in our neighborhood is fine, which i'm thankful for. there's a strong smell of natural gas. we aided the neighbors in turning off the gas at their homes. as you are probably aware that's one of the main concerns of firefighters is the aftermath of an earthquake, the gas rupture, a water main rupture, which i understand has happened in downtown napa, i was just off the phone with the chief of the napa city department and he indicated there was a water main break, has a handful of structure fires in the jath math of the earthquake they've been mitigating and responding to. we heard sirens solid since just after the earthquake and it's just now kind of beginning to have a little bit of a lull, but there will be a lot of work today as the sun comes up this morning. >> wow, yes. we'll all have a better idea. i am glad to hear that you are safe, although facing quite a mess. we will obviously cnn will be corg this all through the day. janet upton, i have a feeling
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we'll be talking to you as well. thanks so much for your time this morning. moving on now back to ferguson, missouri, calm has returned to the streets there, but the issue that set off two weeks of unrest in the city is far from being resolved. we want to bring in missouri governor jay nixon. governor, good to talk to you again. the funeral for the victim, mike brown, will be held tomorrow. do you have any security concerns or any concerns at all about the funeral or the services? >> from the very beginning one of our focus is, quite frankly our focus is on making sure that folks are safe, and that they have the right to speak, and that justice is served, and in that context, clearly the morning that we'll go through for all of the family and quite frankly many people tomorrow, we feel thaturning that we'll go t for all of the family and quite frankly many people tomorrow, we feel that it will be done in a
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context in which there is good respect and safety. >> i want to move on to the officer. we've heard obviously very little about what he has had to say. some of his side of the story has come out from some friends. you have called for a vigorous prosecution. congressman lacy clay, who represents the district ferguson is in, has already called the shooting a murder. looking forward now, have you considered the possibility this might have been a clean shoot or that the officer might not be charged by a grand jury? >> well, i think all of those things could happen, but the bottom line is our focus here is on making sure that the dual investigations, one by the local prosecutor and by the u.s. attorney general and the justice department move forward, and that they're thorough and quite frankly, they're spending a great deal of time, energy and effort to do that. in order to have justice you have to have thorough investigations with great transparency and both of the
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teams are working hard to try to do just that. >> what does that mean, great transparency. grand jury proceedings are secret and we know very little about what the officer's point of view is. what does transparency mean to you? >> i think transparency here for the ultimate justice means continued focus on this by the public and everyone else as it goes through the challenging processes of our justice system, and so that transparency is from individuals. it's just like the challenges that we faced coming in from the public safety and from the right to speak, have ultimately were in the process of solving those by working with the people of ferguson and the region to allow them to speak in a peaceful manner like yesterday's marches, which were, quite frankly, uplifting, as you saw law enforcement leaders marching with folks yet again. the same thing is true as the investigations move forward, i hope that folks work hard as this community has, to learn and
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understand through this entire process. >> governor, the prosecutor in this case, robert mcculloch, has members of the police force, members of his family work in the police force. his father, when he was 12, was shot as a policeman in the course of a crime. there have been complaints about him, particularly from the african-american community in ferguson that he cannot fairly prosecute this case. are you 1,000% confident that robert mcculloch is the guy to do this job? >> well he's democratically elected by overwhelming numbers and reelected. >> but are you confident in him? >> i am confident that, with the dual investigations, that ultimately justice will be served here and i do believe that everybody has a duty to do here. i think all the folks around this appreciate fully the
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pressure and the watch that's going on here >> um-hum. >> and i am hopeful that everyone is going to live up to those duties and do a good job moving forward. >> i can't get to you say you're absolutely confident robert mcculloch can do that? >> i think clearly he has the experience, he has the office, that people here have elected him and you know, you don't want to pre-judge any of this. i do know everybody's working hard. i think the justice department being involved, local prosecutor being involved, the investigators being involved, there is he aa lot of folks working on the street out there to make sure they get this one right and i think that, with that attention, i think that they will move this case forward. >> governor jay nixon, thanks for your time. up next, three police chiefs on the challenges officers face when cops and communities clash. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in.
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please welcome three veteran cops from around the country, chief thomas manger of montgomery county, maryland, detroit police chief james craig, and malik aziz, deputy chief of police in dallas. officers, welcome to the show, and we'll tell our viewers, more than 100 years of police experience sitting at this table and i bring none, so you are the experts here. i want you to tell me what you have been thinking as you have watched this shooting play out in ferguson. what's gone through your mind?
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>> i started my policing career in 1977 in the city of detroit and i remember vividly the stresses in the community after the 1967 unrest, and certainly the then mayor did a phenomenal job at community healing, certainly the police department was integrated to reflect the community of the city of detroit. that was a key piece, and so as i left detroit, i saw that change, and then moving on to los angeles, going into the rodney king affair, again, same kind of situation, so really, the core is the relationship between the police and the community. cincinnati 2001, same issue. >> this is heartbreaking for a lot of cops, most cops. you watch what's going on in ferguson but we're seeing such a
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backlash against police all over the country as a result of this, and there are people who wear this uniform who go to work every day with one purpose and that is to serve the community, to help the community, to make the community safer, and for those cops that are just, that are out there literally putting their lives on the line to make people safe, this is heartbreaking for them to see the reaction, you know, and to have, for some, not all, but for some to paint all police with this broad brush of, you know, you guys aren't part of the community, and we don't trust you, and so this is very heartbreaking for a lot of cops. >> any of you if elt that kifel backlash? >> i was thinking the backlash remains over the country, the 99% of the police officers who do it really well, the 9% of the police departments who advocate for doing it well, and then there's the small percentage that is done wrong, and i was thinking,advocate for doing it
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then there's the small percentage that is done wrong, and i was thinking, what a colossal failure of community/police relationships that had taken place in ferguson. it was, just the whole response took us back -- i was at a convention, a conference in los angeles with the national black police association, and that, the dialogue, the conversation that took place among officers from around the united states, what it did was it told us that community policing is real, that relationships, police are part of the fabric of the community. it must not be in words but it must be in action, and i didn't see that action, so it took us back, with a chance to rebuild, to move the conversation forward and do something different. >> you know, i'm going to kind of take another route, because you know, i'm not going to be critical of ferguson. we look at what history, we talked. detroit, we talked about cincinnati, and while change is made, and ferguson's going to have to go through a period of healing, it's not going to happen overnight. it just can't happen overnight,
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but as one of my colleagues in los angeles so aptly put it in a recent shooting they had there, the bank of trust. when you have a relationship with the community and the officer-involved shootings are going to happen, it's the ability to stay out in front, communicate with your colleagues in a timely and transparent way, and that's when there's opportunity. l.a.'s had two high-profile shooting incidents. detroit shooting incidents. in fact, i've been on the scene of a couple of shootings, officer-involved shootings where the public came out in supporting the police officers and one that comes to mind is involving a 13-year-old young man who tried to rob a white off-duty police sergeant, and a 13-year-old boy was shot, and when i arrived at the scene, the community was more about the business of embracing the police department. >> can i tell you what i think, what i hear a lot from people
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when they talk about this, is that they can't -- a lot of people can't wrap their minds around an unarmed 18-year-old who is sort of called out for jaywalking, how that ends in his death. can you talk to me about those pressures? is there a scenario under way -- because most people think wait, one of them has a gun and one of them doesn't, and one of them ends up dead, and it seems like well the only thing it could be, it was an overuse of force. how is it not? explain the pressures to me. >> i would say right away that there's a gun at every situation, and at least one gun and that belongs to the police officer, so things like this will happen. i think the problem is what the chief was saying about how do we actually engage inside this community and respond to it, the openness and the transparency of it or the lack of created the
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situation where the community did not feel like they had equity in the system or value, or to be heard. so the unrest or uprising is their voice to be heard, so a young black male who is walking, without a chance, in the street, and being approached by a police officer, we don't have the opportunity to know the story before it gets out, so we don't actually know what occurred. we only have the speculation. we only have the rumor, because at this particular time then the people who know haven't given us the answers. so a death of a young black male at the hands of a white police officer is actually about the response at this time, and the response being inadequate in ferguson, and that's what has caused the problem. >> from the time that a young police officer goes through the academy, they are put in training scenarios that have to do with use of force, and their judgment, and how much force to use and when to use it. throughout their career, they go
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through this scenario training, to help them make the right decisions in use of force. the bottom line is now that, i think the community, the public in this day and age believes what they see, and so i think that this really speaks to the necessity for cameras. you know, many of us fought the battles to get cameras in the cars. now, you know, the technology has gotten to the point where it needs to be cameras on lapels or, you know, somewhere so that just about every encounter that a police officer has is, you can watch, and i think that this, you know, because there are scenarios, there have been scenarios where you have an individual who is unarmed, who ends up being the victim of deadly force, that if you watched what occurred, you might come to the judgment that yes, it was justified. but we don't know in this case, and because we don't have the video to go back to.
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>> i want to ask my three chiefs to hold it for a minute and we'll come back and have you come in but i have to squeeze in a break. after that, i also want to get your take on the high arrest rates of african-american men. i guess i never really gave much thought to the acidity in any foods. never thought about the coffee i was drinking having acids. it never dawned on me that it could hurt your teeth. my dentist has told me your enamel is wearing away, and that sounded really scary to me, and i was like well can you fix it, can you paint it back on, and he explained that it was not something that grows back, it's kind of a one-time shot and you have to care for it. he told me to use pronamel. it's gonna help protect the enamel in your teeth. it allows me to continue to drink my coffee and to eat healthier, and it was a real easy switch to make.
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operations 200 to 300 police officers converging in some neighborhoods and in some instances going to specific locations. the issue is specific, not just randomly driving an armored vehicle through the streets of detroit, the people applaud because they know we are there to keep them safe and keeping our officers safe. the knowledge that you are going to keep them safe. do you have equipment? >> we have had armored vehicles for over 20 years. once of the reasons that the public has never complained about it is because they are used appropriately. they are used in hostage barricade situations and to recover a victim. they are used in bomb cases. they are used with active shooters. those are appropriate uses for these vehicles. they get people safely to an area where it is not safe to be.
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they are not used in crowd control. that image was certainly disturbing to everybody including police chiefs and other cops. appropriate use is the key here. >> i think the misapplication or the misuse of the equipment is the problem. the other problem is there is no checks and balances in the system. i think the president is calling for some types of checks and balances. >> the president called for a review. >> high priced equipment that is much needed. the misapplication or missed use. it speaks to how a young black male loses his life walking on the street on one day. it speaks to the need for cameras and tasers. it speaks to the need of in car video. checks and balances in major equipment being deployed as a first response is inadequate and misapplied in its use. >> you defend the equipment and just not the use of it.
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>> here is another issue when you talk about protests. i have seen this in cincinnati when we were going through reggie aqui america -- there occupy america. we know we are going to make arrested but we have it out of site. we are not wearing helmets. we want dialogue. it is the image. officer friendly versus gi joe. >> that threat of force, when you put out the threat of force then it is seen it will be used so there is no chance to open up a new dialogue. when you need it you put it someplace. and that's not what you have seen. let's do this. it looked like 1964. it looks like something out of a movie that you would see. responsible police chiefs lead from the top and people know when to deploy.
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>> i want to ask you a question that can't be properly answered in the minute we have left. when you look at the statistics for the arrests nationwide of black males and for the incarceration times for death males and the number of deaths they are way higher percentage wise than for whites. is there systemic prejudice in the justice system? >> it certainly hasn't been fair. the statistics would play it out. i believe there are many avenues to take place as far as diverseification into police forces. in the command ranks they need to promote within the command ranks. >> i can't thank you enough for coming this weekend. i appreciate all of you. >> thank you for having me.
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